"These science quotes could have continued indefinately..."
TD, I hope you aren't stopping now. I have been enjoying your posts. They are quite useful to remember for use with jws.
jw science blunders arent always the result of misunderstanding the working principles of the phenomenon being discussed.
sometimes theyre simply the result of not properly researching a secular quote that dovetails with the worldview of the jw leadership.
todays jw science quote of the day is a good example: .
"These science quotes could have continued indefinately..."
TD, I hope you aren't stopping now. I have been enjoying your posts. They are quite useful to remember for use with jws.
having already started a thread about jw actions that irritated us the issue has to be completed by discussing what we did or can do to irritate them.
i would say wearing a cross would vex or even frighten them since they think it's a satanic symbol.
or drawing a cross on a kh with chalk and writing above it : jesus christ lord of the church.
Taking away their buzzwords.
field service-member recruitment
kingdom hall-church
brother and sister-joe and susan
Jehovah-God
in the truth-thoroughly indoctrinated
armegeddon-mass genocide
i had to deal with rejection from my mom this last week.
her behavior was shocking to my poor hubby.
perhaps i dreaded it all along.
Jgnat,
I don't know the background of you and your mother. I am pretty sure you were never a dub, so I guess that she wasn't either. Whatever the case, she is the one missing out on a good relationship with a wonderful daughter. I have a fairly normal, slightly neurotic mother, so I guess I should be thankful. At least, she would never call me and sing such things to me.
Sorry, maybe things will get better?
they are mouthy, sassy, awake and watching;.
choosing life, free to think, not so quietly leaving;.
kicking butts, taking names, bindings wounds well.
Can't load pictures, but I love the way JWD levels the playing field too. No elders or ms to cower to with their secret book-"60 ways to disfellowship your ass." And no I don't wear pantyhose and I speak when and where I choose. I do not believe in subjection to any human, male or female.
Life is good.
this lady was working where i first went to work in 1955. she had a son my same age and was friends with my aunts.
she would fix me lunch everyday at home and bring it to work and we would eat together, along with one or two other workers there.
she wasn't ever a jw.
Sorry for your loss. My parents tell me how hard it is to get older. They have lost so many of their friends. Keep your chin up.
i don't know whether to laugh or cry.. a friend lent me coc yesterday and i stayed up most of the night reading it.
it took me 13 hours and i skipped the meeting today to keep reading, i couldn't bear to put it down.. i am shocked but not surprised at how closely ray's thinking mirrors my own in some ways.
the part that hit me hardest was.... "conviction, it has no meaning or validity unless it is individual, personal.
That was a really good description of the effect of learning that what you based your life on is and always has been a lie. You will come down from there and then you wil rise up. It is a rocky road at times, but it does lead to freedom. Freedom is a big responsibility.
i have been battling an incurable illness and will be able to post less and less.
i will post my email, and any help you cna asend my way will be appreciated.
there is treatment but no cure and no cancer yet.
Blondie,
Sorry you are struggling with illness and pain. Whaen I first started reading this board, I was amazed at the speed with which you could post references in the literature. I don't think anyone can take your place. You will be sorely missed.
Take care of yourself now and if you get stronger, pop in for a quick update.
Sincerely, Choosing Life
calgary dad wins partial court victory in daughter's deathaug, 31 2007 - 12:30 pm.
calgary/am770chqr - the father of a calgary jehovah's witnesses teen who died after refusing blood transfusions has won a partial victory in the alberta court of appeal.. the province's highest court has ruled that lawrence hughes should not have been removed as an administrator of his late daughter's estate.. the court has also restored his lawsuit on behalf of the estate alleging the watchtower society and its lawyers used mis-representation and deceit to convince his 16-year-old daughter bethany chemotherapy and blood transfusions would not help cure her cancer and were experimental.. however, the appeal court upheld the trial judges dismisal of hughes' other claims including conflict of interest, undue influence and conspiracy.
http://www.770chqr.com/news/news_local.cfm?cat=7428436912&rem=73613&red=80143623apbiny&wids=410&gi=1&gm=news_local.cfm randy http://www.freeminds.org
Yes!
It's about time some sanity is displayed concerning the damage the doctrines of those old men in Brooklyn have caused to so many innocent people.
First, the pedophile issue and now the blood issue, maybe. All that is left is the shunning issue. Could it be that justice wins out in the end afterall?
i have this concern about fading.
my fade is calculated and very successful as far as .
avoiding a judicial committee for apostacy.
OTWO,
Fading is emotioally exhausting. It is a crazy in between land. Yes, you may keep your family, but no you have not escaped fully the control of the cult. And the hardest part is you know this kind of situation should not even exist.
As I started fading, I reread 1984. It was surreal that a book written in 1949 could so mirror what I was experiencing. Winston, the main character in the book, knew he would get caught eventually, but the intense desire for some small part of real life drove him to take risks. I think this is what you are feeling.
Did you think you could ever be guilty of a thought crime? I know I sure didn't. I was not raised as a witness and I knew I had a right to my own thoughts and opinions. The real problem is that I got involved in the first place and raised my kids in this mess. That was the mistake, not the fact that I quit when I was kicked in the head and woke up.
I wish you the best as a fellow "fader". My Dfd son thinks that is a hilarious term. He even calls me that at times. He spent 10 years thinking he and his children were slated for destruction at God's hand with horrible nightmares. PTSD Yet he didn't return because he knew it was wrong and said he just couldn't expose his children to it. All the while, all of his family shunned him, except me and I couldn't be seen with him in public.
I see a strength in him that I have not yet achieved. I have been slowly taking my life back, but I am afraid that I will look back on years of fading as wasted time too. Once again, I wish you the best and I have no advice for anyone, just rambling thoughts and feelings.
Sincerely, Choosing Life
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saiiu2nwydi.
a friend sent the link - i loved it.
now it's off to bed for me.
That was so heart warming. Good night.